In this episode of Roompact’s ResEdChat, Jas chats with Sydney Rigdon, Assistant Director of Housing & Residence Life at Transylvania University. They explore why regional and state involvement matters, how professionals can find their way into their networks, and ways this engagement supports both individual growth and the broader field of student affairs. Let’s discuss!
Guest: Sydney Rigdon (she/her), Assistant Director of Housing and Residence Life, Transylvania University
Host: Jasmine Nettles
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Jasmine Nettles:
Hey y’all, and welcome back to another episode of the Roompact ResEdChat Podcast, where I am one of your hosts, Jasmine Nettles, an Associate Director for Housing and Residence Life at Eastern Kentucky University. While I specialize in residential curriculum, live and learning communities, and signature events, I talk about everything student affairs-related. So whether that’s professional development, different housing and residence life things, campus involvement, you name it, I’ve probably done it.
Today, I have a very special guest and I’m going to let her introduce herself.
Sydney Rigdon:
Hi, my name is Sydney Rigdon. I currently serve as the Assistant Director of Housing and Residence Life at Transylvania University, and I’m also currently the CHO (phonetic) state representative for KAHO.
Jasmine Nettles:
Yes. Welcome, Syd. Syd is one of my favorite people to talk professional development with. I met her as a residence hall coordinator at Eastern Kentucky, of course, before she transitioned to Transy. Today, I want us to talk a little bit about what being involved in your state looks like. I know a lot of people automatically assume if you work in housing, housing is where you stay. Obviously CHO is the big thing in our region, but we’ve gotten to do a lot of very cool things, even though we are in housing.
The importance of being connected, not just in your region, obviously, but in your state, especially in a state like Kentucky where the schools are much smaller, which means the departments are smaller so that everybody pretty much knows everybody everywhere, but it’s just a different kind of feel in Kentucky.
Syd, my first question for you, can you talk about how student affairs even became your end game or your career?
Sydney Rigdon:
Yeah. My undergrad education is actually in criminal justice, and I have a master’s in business management and leadership. Student affairs was not my first plan of attack, but that’s where I started at WKU as a hall director. When I realized that I could combine my care for developing individuals and student success into one, that’s when I realized that student affairs was going to be where I kept moving toward.
A big part of this was my first year at EKU actually as a residence hall coordinator. I had a student that was going through a lot of different things and needed not only consistent, but honest support. I really connected with her on a personal level. Seeing the impact that my care had on her, but also the impact that her development had on me is what really solidified that this is where I wanted to be and where I could make the most impact in being what I wish that I had as a student, and providing that for students that we serve right now.
Jasmine Nettles:
I think that for a lot of people, and I know it’s not uncommon, a lot of us always say student affairs, higher education, it found us. And so, starting in the job, that is very much probably what the first year is always going to be like, “Well, I’m doing this. I’m not really sure what I’m supposed to be doing or how I’m going to do it, but this is what I’m going to do.” I think it usually takes some time to probably adjust to the reality of the fact, “Oh wait, this is my life now, so how am I going to make the most of this? How can I use…” Your criminal justice, your business degree, how do I use that to be successful in this?
I think the biggest part really that we don’t talk about is how you infiltrate networks is the best way, because I’m a superhero girl, so you know me. I’m always using that type of lingo. My next one, just right now, can you understand maybe the difference between what kind of professional you were before you got involved maybe in CHO or KAHO, and the type of professional that you are now?
Sydney Rigdon:
Yeah, so my development really has a non-traditional path, I would say, where I wasn’t planning to come into student affairs. My first two professional positions, I also was not present for training. That was a big, I don’t necessarily want to say barrier, but something that aided an imposter syndrome from me. As I was looking at myself as a professional, because I didn’t feel like I was set up the way that I needed to be to perform well, but being involved is something that has really helped with my confidence to not go for perfection, but to go for growth and authenticity.
When I started out in state involvement, it was from my first KAHO conference. I got nominated for president, and that was very overwhelming for me.
Jasmine Nettles:
[inaudible 00:04:34] out the gate.
Sydney Rigdon:
Yeah. Yeah. I had only been in the realm for about a year. It was my first conference. I didn’t know what I was doing, but that was a point that really shifted my mindset in what I was doing for my individual development, in that there are people around me that see something in me. It was nice to feel that from the group that I felt like didn’t have to say that I was doing well, which would be my immediate coworkers and things like that.
Obviously I had that support, but seeing that from a realm of people that I didn’t interact with on the day-to-day really helped me start to build that confidence and work towards things that were outside of my comfort zone.
Jasmine Nettles:
I know in your first year, even when you started with us, we were just in a state of chaos too, just from being understaffed and all the different things, but you jumped right in with professional staff training, and student staff training, and the things that maybe you weren’t 100% interested in, but you were willing to try.
And so, I think that when we’re talking about going outside of your institution, that’s the first thing that I always recommend any new professional, mid-professional to consider. What are the things that you kind of think you’re interested in? How can you try that? KAHO was the first conference that we went to, and KAHO, again, small schools, maybe 30 schools represented, so there’s probably only 30 people there. Usually how it works.
But so, you went from KAHO president to now CHO state rep for the entire state of Kentucky.
Sydney Rigdon:
Yep.
Jasmine Nettles:
What did starting small with getting involved in KAHO, which for those who don’t know, Kentucky Association for Housing Officers, what did that look like for you? As the president, obviously you have to be involved, but even just going to the conference and what that process was like.
Sydney Rigdon:
Yeah, so I was actually very pleasantly surprised by the support that I got in that election. I had a lot of people talk to me before we left, but also send me messages after the fact that they were happy to see someone fresh and new to the field have the opportunity to share their perspective. That was really nice. I love change and figuring out what’s most efficient and what can bring something new to a space, so it was nice to be met with open arms in that regard.
Something that I remember very well still to this day, especially with CHO coming up, is three months later I had to lead the business meeting at CHO. That was something that I was very, very nervous about. I did not want to embarrass myself. I didn’t want to say the wrong thing. Obviously, you hear business meeting and you think I’m running the whole shebang. I didn’t know what that looked like. I’d never been to one before.
After the fact, I had a lot of people come up to me, especially senior housing officers, and introduce themselves to me. I was like, whoa, this is crazy. It was really nice, and I recognized then the impact of what that care and support can look like, especially in a mentorship role of… I didn’t know who these people were, I just knew they were important and they got paid a lot of money, you know what I mean?
But them choosing to take time out of their day to come speak to me was really nice to see the connection there and has really helped me in the goals that I have for KAHO and the state of Kentucky right now of getting our name out there, and the great work that we’re doing to see at a regional and a national level because we deserve that and we’ve done the hard work.
So yeah, being able to see that in action, obviously it’s a little easier to see when you’re the person that it’s happening to and you’re having the conversations, and things like that, but even seeing the networks that I’m aiding in with people at KAHO this past year and connecting them, and seeing those things, just trying to make it a little less scary.
Jasmine Nettles:
Yeah. I think the fear or the worry of being the new person or being the person that’s the least experienced is also something that may turn people away from being like, “Well, other people are going, why do I need to go? ” Or, “There are people who want to run for these positions. Why should I do it?” Can you talk about maybe your mindset shift? I didn’t prepare you for this one, but you know me.
Sydney Rigdon:
It’s okay.
Jasmine Nettles:
Talk about your mindset shift going from being a residence hall coordinator to taking on such a big job as being the president of KAHO, but ultimately becoming so… I know the way that I am in my conferences is the way people are about you at CHO. “I supervised her. Yeah, I know her.” So what was the mindset shift like for you to be confident, knowing that you can do it? Yeah.
Sydney Rigdon:
Yeah, I was nervous in the sense that I was going to be working with a lot of people that I didn’t know. There was never a moment that I was worried about being able to do what needed to be done. I’m not afraid to command a space or bring up the tough conversations that need to happen. I was worried in how that was going to be received.
I do have a very dominant professional personality. I know how that can come across and I know how to work with people that may not work that way, but bringing awareness, and I think just appreciation, was something that was not going to be negotiated for me, like that was going to happen for the state. It took a lot of internal reflection to figure out what that difference was going to look like, but really faking it until you make it a little bit in that personally, I’m not as dominant or commanding of a room and things like that, but knowing the goals that I have and what I think that our professionals deserve to receive is something that I’m not going to shake on.
I just kind of put on a different hat, if you will, going into those spaces. I didn’t give people the option of acknowledging my presence in a space. That’s something that is still today very scary and can be a little unsettling, but being able to see what I’ve been able to do because I walk into a room like that is very motivating. And now with CHO specifically, it’s such a large scale conference and community.
There are still times… I went to midyear this past year for the first time being CHO state rep for Kentucky, and I walked in and there’s not as many people at midyear as there are at the conference, but because of that, I was like, “Oh yeah, I’ll be okay.” But then I walked in and I was like, “A lot of these people know a lot of these people,” but owning what I knew and what I was there to do is something that not only made me feel more comfortable, but it opened the door to a lot of conversations.
I got a little out of my comfort zone, raised my hand for the microphone in a governing meeting. Yep. But we were voting on a lot of things and talking about a lot of things to start and end, and change. I was just asking questions the same way that I would in a meeting at my home institution or any smaller scale meeting. I was like, “I’m just trying to understand. I’m just trying to figure out, have we thought of this? Why are we doing this?”
I had a lot of conversations with people of, “Thank you for bringing this up. Thank you for shining a light on this.” I was like, “Oh, wow.” It is being heard in the opinions that we have. There’s not anyone that I’ve interacted with that has immediately shut down anything that I have to say or questions that I’m asking to understand.
So being able to transition into a space like that is very rewarding, but also something nice to bring back to my home institution, and supervising student staff, and interacting with a student life team, and building the confidence and comfortability at that scale that I have here.
Jasmine Nettles:
Yeah. I know for a lot of people, when people see the people out front, it’s like, “Well, I’m not going to do that. That’s not my job.” Or, “I know I have things to say, but I’m not sure how to say it.” What I see a lot in new professionals as a mid-level manager, but also not being that far removed from that, is that we forget that our experience is what makes us the best person for whatever it is we’re trying to share, or talk about, or decide.
I love that you specifically talked about reminding yourself that “This is out of my comfort zone, but I know that I need to do it to occupy the space,” because you know things that people around you don’t. If you don’t share that, we’re never going to get anywhere. And so, thinking about specifically in the state of Kentucky obviously, I’ve worked in five different states, so I’ve been all over the place, but you’ve always been here.
Can you tell me something maybe from your time just managing KAHO? Because you got to lead a state conference. What was maybe the most impactful experience or maybe something that made you go, “Okay, yeah, this is why I’m trying to do this”?
Sydney Rigdon:
I would say… Well, so when I was president, I also hosted at EKU for home institution. That was a big step and I’ll be hosting at my new home institution this year for KAHO. So seeing the difference in that. Something that really stands out to me and that I think about very often is this past year at KAHO hosted at Western, I was asked right before to host the grad entry level roundtable.
Jasmine Nettles:
Roundtable.
Sydney Rigdon:
I got that text message and I was like, “Did you mean to send this to me?” Because I’d been texting with them where we had hosted the year prior with numbers. I was like, “Did you mean to send this?” They’re like, “Yeah, I thought you’d really enjoy it. We thought you’d be…” I was like, “I mean, okay, feel free to send me some questions if you want,” because I’ve never done anything like that before.
When I was preparing the kind of notes that I want to talk about, and I love a roundtable, but it is very easy for them to go left and there’s nothing worse than a roundtable that goes bad, but there’s nothing better than a roundtable that goes really good.
Jasmine Nettles:
Goes good.
Sydney Rigdon:
I was really trying to be intentional, but as I was preparing just notes and different topics I wanted to make sure to touch on, I really had the opportunity to reflect on all of the things that I had done, the people that I had impacted, the communities I’d impacted, and how they changed and developed me, not only as a professional, but as a person.
I was like, “Wow, I was the right person to ask to do this, and I can do this, and I’m going to have good conversation, and this is going to be successful.” When I got in there, it was pretty packed for what I was expecting, but I introduced myself. As I was going through the things that I’d been involved in and stuff like that, I was like, “Wow, this is kind of making me feel a little old. This is crazy.” I was like, “I promise I’m still in the know of what’s going on.”
But I was talking about things and then we had really good conversation. I had a couple of people pull me at the end when everybody was leaving, figuring out where they were going next. Also before we left for the day, I had a couple of people pull me to the side and just appreciated the authenticity and just transparent way that I was communicating with them, but also wanting to continue conversation and build a relationship off of that.
I think that that is the reason that I continue to do what I’m doing. That is the reason that I feel so passionate about staying involved in KAHO to then lead me to CHO because I came in so non-traditional. There’s not just one way to do this, and you don’t have to have a full student affairs background and education to be successful and to have something valid to bring to the conversation.
I really, after that roundtable, which might sound small to some people, it was a very impactful moment for me that what I’m doing is making a difference and people are seeing the work that’s being done, and the intentionality and care that I put behind what I do. That’s why I continue and why I want to be so involved.
Jasmine Nettles:
Yeah. I love that with the… You don’t start out being the person that everybody thinks is the expert, but the more and more you lean into what you know, and taking on roles, and not like… It doesn’t have to always be the super big thing, which is also what a lot of people kind of misconstrue sometimes, especially in 2025, ’26, because that’s what’s getting attention, the people that are sitting at the front, the people whose names are on the programs and stuff.
I think sometimes your name ends up on the program because you played the background, or you found your niche and that is what exposed you to other people. I love that you talked about the roundtable because that’s a session every single conference does, but the people who run those sessions are trusted people who can manage conversations, who can let people usually inevitably share frustrations, but also very solution-focused.
I know you to be that as a professional, but also having had to run them too or run them at the last minute, the pressure that that puts… Because I know Syd before two years ago may have said, “Actually, let me find you somebody else who might be able to do that.” Then switching into that, because again, KAHO, we may have 90 people if we’re lucky. CHO is usually more than 600, 700 people.
Talk about your first CHO. What was that like? I know we didn’t go in a big super group that year, but we’ve always gone a big one now.
Sydney Rigdon:
Well, and actually my first-first CHO, I went with Western. When I started at Western, I started in November, and that December, my immediate supervisor left for a different opportunity. So not only did I not go through training, because I started in November, my supervisor left, I was in the building by myself, didn’t really know what was going on.
Then February came around and they’re like, “We’re going to CHO.” I was like, “Great, what does that mean? My God, I have no idea what you’re talking about.” Obviously CHO is pretty large scale. I not only had not been in the profession for three months, but wasn’t my plan, did not know if I wanted to stay, so it was a little overwhelming. I do really enjoy learning about new things.
Even though it had only been about three months, there were definitely areas that I was more interested in than others, obviously. I kind of took the route in terms of sessions that way. There were connections that I made, but nothing… I definitely didn’t step out of my comfort zone in the way that I would now, because I didn’t know what my comfort zone was because I didn’t know where I was.
A lot of the interactions that I had were with from people from EKU because I went there for undergrad, so I had known them from living on campus, and got built that way. I remember a professional women’s speed dating roundtable situation, went to that, made a lot of connections. I took a lot of things away and a lot of people’s contacts, but I didn’t do anything with them.
That was something working through getting back. I was like, I had a great time. I recognized that there was so much effort and intentionality put into this, but I just don’t feel educated enough to be able to intake all of it. I don’t feel like… And no mal intent from anyone, but I didn’t feel prepared to go in and be as successful as I could have been.
I knew when I left CHO, I was like, “Okay, I think housing is going to be it, at least for a little while,” because I was very intrigued. I was very curious. Like I said, I learned a lot. So coming back, I did a lot of research and just digging of like, okay, what is this? What values are we talking about? What kind of moves are we trying to make, and what can this involvement look like?
That really changed the trajectory of the directions that I was looking into professionally from that point. So a little daunting, but also I think that had I not been able to go to CHO at that time starting so fresh, I don’t think I would be anywhere close to where I am right now at all.
Jasmine Nettles:
I love that you, one, admit, no, I had a great experience, but I got back and all I had was that great experience in my head, and didn’t follow up on it. I think that’s another scary part about it too, especially when you’re the new kid on the block, you went because that’s what people were saying, go. So there wasn’t a lot of prep or lead time or anything like that other than just knowing it’s a big conference that we all go to meet and talk to other people.
I can only imagine having been someone who didn’t go to grad school for student affairs, and everybody else is having reunions and different things like that around you, it’s not necessarily uncommon. I know at this point, I think the next time I’ll go to a conference I’ve never been to before will be like NASPA. I’m shaking in my boots because I’m going to know… Yeah, I might know 60 people, but there’s like 2,000 people that go to that conference.
And so, the fear is real. I hope that when people are planning professional development or wary of starting to do that, in your state is where you start. You start in the super small group so when you go into the really big ones, it’s better. I want to talk also about maybe the responsibility or how you have charged yourself with being more intentional about stepping out of your comfort zone.
Maybe where did that start in your mind? I know thinking you want to do it end game, you can run a building with your eyes closed, but you know you want to do something next. Tell me about that thought process for you.
Sydney Rigdon:
Yeah. Honestly, I think with supervising last year, the experience that I had really opened my eyes to what stepping out of your comfort zone can look like. I think the biggest part is being able to see the connections that are made, whether it be at a state or a regional level. I know that I am good at what I do. I know how to do my job. I know how to run a building. I know how to fix a pipe. Well, I know who to call to fix pipe.
Jasmine Nettles:
Change a light bulb.
Sydney Rigdon:
Yeah. Those things are not things that I question, but looking at what opportunities are available in a field like this, you have to do things that are different and you have to figure out what works, what doesn’t work, what you like, what you don’t like.
At EKU, my first year, I was in first year hall, pretty small, community style. That’s all that I knew. When we did intent to return, I was like… I completely switched. We’re multiplying residents by three-
Jasmine Nettles:
Four.
Sydney Rigdon:
… new LLCs, different type of housing to see if I liked it. My only goal that year was to find out, “Oh, am I open to other things or is community style first year…”
Jasmine Nettles:
That’s my thing. Yeah.
Sydney Rigdon:
“… is that it?” I learned a lot of things. You were my supervisor that year. I learned a lot of things the hard way. I learned a lot of things in a positive way, but there was never a day that I was comfortable. There was never a day that I didn’t try something new. Then following, that’s the year that I got involved with KAHO, I had to tell myself that you’re not allowed to be scared anymore, and if an opportunity presents itself, you’re going to take it.
Also, that it’s not just opportunities presenting themselves, it’s me doing the work to put myself in a position to choose an opportunity. I think taking ownership over that has really helped me. Really in finding what direction you want to do, I still tell people to this day, I don’t know that housing is where I’ll be forever. I have no business interest, anything of being an executive director. It’s not where my passions are.
I know that about myself, and I know what my strengths are, but I also know that there are so many things that I still have to learn, and ways to empower people, and improve my leadership, and things like that. Something that I really focus on is taking a non-traditional path to that. I was literally looking the other day at trainings for coaches, like athletic coaches, to go through to have a different perspective for supervision.
That has nothing to do with housing, but there are things that can compare. You know what I mean? But just to bring different things in. I think something that we’re doing as a field really well right now is not shutting down people that are interested professionally that have non-traditional backgrounds, non-traditional educations. Our teams are not just full of people that came up the student affairs route.
I think that just as much as we like to provide seats at the table for everyone, I think the people that we are staffing to do that also need to have-
Jasmine Nettles:
Also have to.
Sydney Rigdon:
Yeah.
Jasmine Nettles:
I love it. Honestly, you led right into my last question too, but I think the one thing that you said that I want to point out is taking ownership of the direction of your career. Depending on maybe what grad school you went to or what your experience in your career has been, there may be someone who has sat next to you, who has walked you through how to do these things, and that person never goes away or that person might change, but trusting your own judgment and knowing, no, this is something I want to do.
Because I know housing’s not my end goal, but I know retention and engagement, the things on a bigger scale, you’re not going to get that as impactful as you can working outside of housing and residence life, depending on your institution.
Sydney Rigdon:
Exactly.
Jasmine Nettles:
If I know that, then my charge to myself was lock in because you need to learn what journey mapping is. You need to learn how to do all these other things that you see advising offices and different stuff like that doing. Taking ownership is a really big thing for me too, just even in how I talk to the staff that I supervise, but also colleagues. When they’re like, “Well, I want to make a jump, but I don’t know if I should, or I need to have this conversation.” Yes. The answer usually, if you’re thinking about it, the answer’s probably yes. The approach is usually the thing.
Then to kind of wrap us up, Syd, what is maybe one piece of advice you would give to someone, maybe they’re eyeing something they want to try, or they see an opening, or people are trying to get them engaged, what would you tell them as far as something as small as a KAHO, but also as big as a CHO?
Sydney Rigdon:
Yeah, I think that my biggest piece of advice is that you do not have to be perfect. You do not have to know everything, and you definitely do not have to know everybody, but you do have to be intentional. You do have to bring your authentic self, and you do have to be open to learning things that are different than the way that you may originally operate.
I was very surprised and continued to be surprised by the love and support that I received at a state and a regional level when I first got involved, and even to the work that I’m doing today. It took a lot for me to learn this, but the expectation was never perfection. It was never to come into a role because you were overqualified for the role. It was never, “Let me put you in this seat because you’ve done it for 20 years and that’s your area of expertise.”
It was, you have the curiosity, you have the confidence, whether that be in an extroverted way or an introverted way, because I think confidence can be misconstrued in that capacity. But really, just the willingness to grow in a space and to grow that space. So really understanding that removed a lot of the fear that I had and also improved the confidence for me to keep trying.
I don’t think that we need to try to build a space at a table. You already have a space at the table. You just have to sit down. That’s something that I tell a lot. I talked about it in my roundtable. I have a roundtable next week for people that have never been to CHO before. That’s something that I always go back to of you don’t have to fight for a seat, you just have to take it, and really empowering them.
There’s not a reality where you’re never going to fail. That is not something that I try to teach, train, et cetera. That, I do try to do, and I think my why, I guess, for being and doing what I’m doing, is to empower professionals across the board, but specifically graduate entry level, that kind of area, that you’re going to fail, but empowering them to be strong enough to get up and try again because everything can be done multiple ways.
We all know that things are going to come up, stuff’s going to happen, you can plan as much as you want to plan, but it’s just not always going to go that way every time. That’s not a reason for you to stop or think that this isn’t where you’re supposed to be. I think that shows a lot to our students and our student staff. I try to be very transparent with my student staff and the colleagues that I work with in knowing I am human and there’s going to be times that I mess up.
Something I think that I take a lot from working with you, and especially when you were my immediate supervisor, is that I have no problem making the decision. Do I also know that it might not be the right decision? Yeah, it might not be, but I’m going to back myself and I’m going to back my team through what that looks like. If we get down the road a little bit and we need to back up and punt, we need to back up and punt, and that’s okay.
At some point, you have to make a decision and you have to take ownership over the direction that you’re going, whether it’s your team, your personal development, your professional development, a new job. I was scared to death to go for this job just because it was something different, but I knew that it was time and knowing that it was time was enough for me to be like, “Nope, no questions. You’re going to go for it. We’re going to figure it out.”
If it’s not it, it’s not it, and we’ll figure something out then. Whether it’s through the process after the decision’s being made, but really trusting your gut and learning to back yourself, but everybody in this field is here to support, and trusting that. It’s scary to have blind trust in people in general. I don’t want to do that because I know that I can get it done. If I don’t know you [inaudible 00:32:47]-
Jasmine Nettles:
I don’t need your help.
Sydney Rigdon:
You know what I mean? Yeah. I think that the power of networking is something that I have really just reaped all of the benefits for going through this. You never know who’s going to be sitting beside you at a table. You never know where you’re going to end up, if you’re going to go to a different state, a different region, whatever it may be.
We’re so interconnected, and I think it’s really easy to fall into the bubble of your campus, your home institution. But recognizing that we’re all on the same team and there are a lot of people that have been in the position that you’re in and it doesn’t take away any of the work that you’ve done or the effort that you’ve put in to ask for help.
Jasmine Nettles:
Yeah. I love… Because you never know who you’re going to be sitting next to, you never know who you’re going to meet. Literally getting connected, whether it’s as small as a KAHO, big as a CHO, that starts very simply by starting. If there’s a slot open to moderate a session, if there is a call for volunteers to work the registration table, that’s how I’ve met some of the people that are still connected to me now, just because I mean, I’m not doing anything anyway.
You need help? Let me help you. Carrying boxes, setting up photos, helping download survey data, and just really anything that is a call for support or call to serve in your organization, start small, whether it is just standing outside the opening hall, directing people where to go. That’s how people learn who you are and that’s how they-
Sydney Rigdon:
Who you are. Yeah.
Jasmine Nettles:
… [inaudible 00:34:21] and all the different things. I love you, Syd, I love it and I also love you, Syd. This was a great chitchat, Syd, of course. I love it. Thank y’all so much for watching another episode of the Roompact ResEdChat Podcast. Make sure you subscribe and watch everywhere you can get a podcast, and I will see y’all in the next one.
